Wednesday, January 12, 2011

C is for Contemptible

Regarding the Tucson shootings...

"...To be clear, if you’re using this event to criticize the “rhetoric” of Mrs. Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you’re either: (a) asserting a connection between the “rhetoric” and the shooting, which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie; or (b) you’re not, in which case you’re just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. Which is it?..."

- Wall Street Journal

Other rhetoric...

"...they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him."

- A politician regarding an opposing party candidate.

Who said this?? Paul Kanjorski, Democrat congressman of Pennsylvania's comment on Florida's new Republican Governor Rick Scott.


Blogger Tyler said...

If it's a "vicious lie," then the recent election, and the fact that it was an attempted assassination of an elected official, must be considered irrelevant?

Why'd he choose her? Did he just wake up one day and decide she was the cause of all his problems?

Or is it possible he had some help arriving at that conclusion?

1/13/2011 11:21 AM  
Blogger Vonster said...

Considering it's already been established that the guy wasn't political, didn't even vote and didn't listen to talk radio or FNC...

1/13/2011 3:52 PM  
Blogger Tyler said...

Who established that the guy wasn't political? Because he hasn't said he listens to Rush? Have you watched the videos he put on youtube?

Seem pretty political to me. But hey, white wash it any way you see fit.

1/13/2011 4:40 PM  
Blogger Vonster said...

No white-wash at all. It's what people that knew him are saying. The linkage ain't there. Certainly no linkage to right-wing politics.

1/13/2011 6:28 PM  
Blogger Tyler said...

I've never said the campaign was his primary influence, or that specific politicians certainly motivated him. But you can't turn a blind eye to how political this shooting was.

Just because you can't pin the guy down to a traditional set of positions we'd identify as right-wing or left-wing does not mean politics didn't play a role. Your argument is a very convenient and transparent denial.

"Certainly no linkage to right-wing politics"

Anyone who's looked into it sees that he was influenced by David Wynn Miller, an extremely right wing activist. I'm not blaming Miller himself, conspiracy theorists, or all right wing rhetoric... but when you keep closing your eyes to the obvious it becomes pretty clear you'll believe and defend whatever you want. Fine by me.

1/14/2011 10:38 AM  
Blogger Vonster said...

"I'm not blaming Miller himself, conspiracy theorists, or all right wing rhetoric..."

That is the whole and only point here - whether or not, as accused by certain politicians and media, right-wing rhetoric from the likes of Palin and Limbaugh drove him to do this. It did not. Case closed.

1/14/2011 10:58 AM  
Blogger Tyler said...

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1/14/2011 12:48 PM  
Blogger Tyler said...

I think we just come from different schools of thought when it comes to responsibilities we bear as individuals and a society as a whole.

As Palin's now removed video response made it clear, and the position you seem to be holding now, in shielding politicians from any perceivable responsibility for this tragedy... many do not believe the worst our society has to offer can, in any way, be a reflection on them and what they've done. I've always believed that we all bear some responsibility for all the people in our society. Obviously, some more than others.

For those with great influence, who put their voices across airwaves, which are absorbed by millions, there is an unspeakably heavy burden of responsibility for their words. I'm not saying we should limit their free speech, but only suggest they choose their words more carefully and remember the power they have.

It disturbs me even more that those who would be in charge of leading people would turn their back completely on the concept that what they say and do has an impact on the people.

When your rhetoric is hateful and overly aggressive (some have even said violent), and then some terrible violent tragedy happens to one of the people involved, there is a natural connection to be drawn. The man who pulled the trigger is practically incidental. The event itself is an indicator of where we are as a society and what our domestic political climate is. It simply must change.

Now, on a side note, I didn't come here to needle you or start a fight. I'm not a political blogger, but you got to commenting with me over on my site and my response wasn't very welcoming. I do know that almost every blogger enjoys comments (as long as they're not totally insulting...and sometimes even if they are), so I'm just returning the favor. And sorry if I chased you off.

1/14/2011 12:52 PM  
Blogger Vonster said...

While we'll continue to disagree on the broader points, I appreciate your civility.

1/14/2011 3:47 PM  

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